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“Hel Fenn?” Lord Ruthven said to me. “My dear boy, everyone who’s anyone says they were at Hel Fenn. There are scions of our line barely out of their grave who’ll tell you they remember it like it was yesterday.”

“Do you?” I asked.

“History will tell you,” said Lord Ruthven, “that I was nowhere near the place; that it was Adolphus Krieger who stood with Mannfred at the last, while I was derelict in my duties to my lord and still mourning my fair Emmanuelle.”

History, I reflected, is written by the winners; and history is very clear that at Hel Fenn, the house of von Carstein came off the worse…

But history, I also reflected, is frequently a lot of old cobblers.

I wasn't supposed to be here.

In 2019 I retired my Vampire Counts army as too brittle in the joints and too scuffed in the paintwork to survive another tour of duty. I'd played one last big exhibition game with them, and one last regular-joe ham-slam with my longest-serving opponent, and that was that.

Never say never. When the call came out from one Joseph B, esquire of any parish in which he happens to be, to assemble at Warhammer World and show our corporate overlords that we were bringing sixy back, I... well, I ignored it at first. There were other Vampire Counts players. But then Thomas Æ, admin of the Vampire Counts Facebook group and thus my online liege, informed us his partner in crime had had to drop out, and they needed someone with 3000 points of Sylvanians ready to go at the drop of a hat. And then he got covid, and so I found myself lugging my entire collection to Nottingham, drawing up One List To Use It All on the train (by abusing the Von Carstein back-of-the-book list I could just about manage it), and being (rightly) judged as a keener by my old pal Vicky, who lives just up the road from Warhammer World and was kind enough to let me occupy her spare room for a night, as well as photo-wench for me on the day.

The scenario was loosely adapted from the Hoodling’s Hole 20,000 point extravaganza. In lieu of hiding units in the marshy bits we simply plopped my Grave Markers in them to similar simulative effect, but otherwise the conditions remained the same. I'm afraid I don't know my way around the False Dwarfs (the "6.5" book released in the dying days of the edition) to identify everything that was on the table, but I've done my best to transcribe the army lists based on what I encountered. Speaking of which!

Last of the Von Carsteins

Mannfred von Carstein (Necromancy)
Vampire Lord (level 3, Walking Death, Power Familiar, Talisman of Protection) (Necromancy)
Wight Lord (Battle Standard; Hell Banner)
25 Skeletons (sword and board, full command)
5 Dire Wolves (Doom Wolf)
Bat Swarm
Bat Swarm
3 Spirit Hosts
8 Black Knights (barding, full command, Banner of the Barrows)
8 Black Knights (barding, full command, Screaming Banner)
Banshee
Black Coach
Black Coach

Adolphus Krieger: Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (level 3, Wristbands of Black Gold) (Death)
Vampire Lord (level 3, Spectral Attendants, Ring of the Night) (Necromancy)
Laibach Ruthven: Vampire Thrall (greatsword, Flayed Hauberk, Wolf Form)
25 Sylvanian Militia (spears, full command)
20 Sylvanian Militia (crossbows, full command)
10 Sylvanian Levy (standard & musician)
6 Dire Wolves (Scouts)
20 Drakenhof Guard (full command, Banner of Doom)
3 Spirit Hosts
Banshee
Banshee
12 Drakenhof Templars (barding, full command, Drakenhof Banner)

The Flower of Stirland (Kris W, Empire)



Martin, Count of Stirland: General of the Empire (Hammer of Judgment, Van Horstmann’s Speculum)
Priest of Ulric
Priest of Sigmar (barded warhorse, great weapon, heavy armour)
Priest of Sigmar (great weapon, heavy armour)
Captain of the Empire (Battle Standard: Gryphon Standard)
30 Spearmen (full command): 10 Free Company (detachment) & 5 Archers (detachment)
10 Crossbowmen
16 Handgunners
13 Knights of the Divine Sword (Inner Circle, full command, Steel Standard)
6 Knights of the White Wolf (Inner Circle, full command)
24 Greatswords (full command): 10 Free Company (detachment)
5 Pistoliers
Great Cannon
24 Flagellants
14 Duellists
Steam Tank

The Throng of Karak Raziak (Ed H, Dwarfs)



King Razzik: Dwarf Lord & Shieldbearers (runed-up reroll-misses great weapon and some other bits that didn’t matter)
Runelord (Rune of Balance, +1 to Dispels rune, runed-up reroll-misses hand weapon)
Runesmith (2 x Runes of Spellbreaking)
Runesmith (2 x Runes of Spellbreaking)
2 x 20 Longbeards (full command)
2 x 10 Thunderers (full command)
10 Warriors (full command)
20-odd Slayers (lots and lots of Giant Slayers)
20 Ironbreakers (“no fear” rune)
Grudge Thrower (Engineer, a rune)
Grudge Thrower (Engineer, a rune)
Organ Gun
Organ Gun

The Archmage Finreir

High Elf Archmage (level 4, Staff of Sorcery, Dragon Bow, Dispel Scroll) (Heavens)

Preamble

Oddly enough for a battle with five Lord level wizards involved, magic didn’t end up playing an enormous part. I rolled mainly Invocations, Danses and Vigours, plus a Gaze for Mannfred and a Wind for Krieger, but no Doom and Darkness or Curse of Years. Kris got Uranon’s Thunderbolt, Second Sign of Amul, and some other bits he never got to cast. He spent most of his time zapping single wounds off Banshees, and dispelling everything that wasn’t a Grave Marker adding to my Levy unit or raising Crossbowmen in my back line.

The Vampire Counts, mounting an aggressive defence, had to set up and go first. This would prove to be a problem. I should have put my Black Coaches (as the units most concerned about entering marshland) down first, and keyed everything else around them. I did not: they ended up stuck behind Mannfred’s Knights, where they could be seen and shot but were thoroughly blocked in, which meant… well, look at this.



I also ended up with the Zombie Dragon behind the only cover available, which meant Ed could set up directly opposite it with Slayers and Organ Guns and big stodgy Ld 9 and 10 T4 units that could absolutely handle it. I’d intended to have it go after Finreir, but he was safe in the midfield, bubblewrapped in Duellists, and getting the Dragon to him would mean running the Dwarf gauntlet or flying across my own lines in full view of the Empire cannons and Grudge Throwers.


"Turn it around a bit further and I won't be able to see its arse." Thanks Kris!

Living After Midnight (Rounds 1 & 2)

The good news: I managed to break an Organ Gun crew straight off the bat, ploughing the Scout Wolves into them at full pelt. Didn’t catch them, what with the woods and all, but it was a fine start.

The bad news: I had to move Mannfred up full speed to create space for my Black Coaches to spread out and charge, which left him and his Templars in charge range of the Knights of the Divine Sword. Spurred on by the frothing of their Warrior Priest, said Knights charged at full tilt and slew half of the Templars in the opening hour of the battle!

"OK, Mannfred's in combat turn one, that was the plan... right?"

The middling news: Kris’ Steam Tank proved to be a damp squib, suffering from chronic Misfires and spending most of the battle shaking itself to bits in the corner. Serves them right for driving it into the marsh!

The excellent news: the Drakenhof Templars held and my Knights of the Black Cross were able to charge in and drive the Divine Sword off (failed Panic test), creating space for Mannfred to fry most of the Crossbowmen with a Gaze of Nagash before charging Martin, alongside the Black Coach that hadn’t been crushed to matchwood by a Grudge Thrower. The Black Cross, meanwhile, charged the remnants of the Divine Sword…



The Dark Before Dawn (Round 3)

With the Dwarfs largely pinned by ghosts, wolves, bats, raised Levy and some cowardly Knights of the White Wolf who clearly couldn’t bring themselves to hurt even a dead dog (two failed fear checks on the trot), I felt confident enough to send forth Krieger. Or at least, I felt that hiding my other 700 odd point model away for another turn wasn’t going to do me any good.



It didn’t work out too well. Although Krieger survived, thanks to his Wristbands, the Dragon was blown out from underneath him, though it did take an entire Dwarf shooting phase to achieve that so I shouldn’t whinge. The Wolves and Knights who’d been riding ahead of the Dragon were able to charge Organ Guns, Thunderers and Warriors, shooing several smaller Dwarf units off the table and making a break themselves.

The Banshee chorus took some time out from serenading the Divine Sword and leapt on an opportunity; one of them had the line, the length and the space to get near Finreir, who couldn’t hide in a unit, and so I took the shot. One 10 on 2d6 later and the Archmage was down. Luck not skill, of course, but you don’t get the jam if you don’t grab the jar (or something).


Best 90 points you'll ever spend.

Sadly, all was not well on the left flank. Mannfred’s attempt to infuse his Knights with Hellish Vigour (with dice, so it would be harder to Dispel) backfired as he did a big Miscast; a double one in fact, which would have had him go down the hole if not for the scenario special rules. As it is, he was left mildly frazzled, distracted perhaps by a thin ray of sunlight piercing the murky skies.



Despite his, and the Knights’, and the Coach’s best efforts, including a lance strike that left Martin on his last legs, they couldn’t quite break the Spearmen (or the remains of the Divine Sword, in the other charge across the lane), and the two Counts met in a challenge on the second round. Out came Van Horstmann’s Speculum; Mannfred made all his saves but couldn’t do much with Martin’s comparatively feeble statline and consequently, crumbled along with his overmatched Templars, broken on the points of good Empire spears.

The Sun Also Rises (Rounds 4 & 5)

Though the immortal will of the Vampire Lords kept their respective regiments intact, the Banshees, Wolves and Spirits slowly faded from the world over the ensuing “double-dip crumble checks.” Ed only let me get off some inconsequential raises of fresh Crossbowmen, and one of my Vampires miscast a crucial Danse at exactly the wrong time, terminating the final magic phase of the day.


"Nice NMM on that sword." Thanks Kris. It was a busy week, OK?

Krieger cut down the Organ Gun crews and Runesmiths, while young Laibach Ruthven (a vampire to watch, I think) threw himself into one of the Grudge Throwers (the other, in a remarkable feat of accuracy, pulverised eleven Skeleton Spearmen in a single shot!). The Sylvanian Levy (bolstered by dozens of bodies from the Grave Markers) crashed headlong into the Empire lines, routing the Free Company and ploughing into the Flagellants behind, but too late, too late… the crumble claimed them too.


There were only ten at the start...

Kris sent the Stirland Greatswords out to face the Drakenhof Guard, slaying half a dozen but not enough. Outflanked by Skeletons and a female Vampire surrounded by shrieking ghosts, their nerve failed them and they were chased down by their undead counterparts. Sadly, Mannfred’s subordinate on the left flank was unable to imitate their success; though he led his ranks of Skeletons into Martin’s Spearmen they couldn’t land the final conclusive blow on the Count of Stirland. Beset to their left by Free Company, their right was open to the rallied remnants of the Divine Sword.

The story was the same across the field. Finally free of marsh and Zombie, the Lords of Karak Raziak were free to charge the Sylvanian Militia front and flank, and avenge their manling allies. The White Wolves rode hard for the Skeleton Crossbowmen, hammers in hand. The Giant Slayers of Karak Sadra had turned to face down the Knights of the Black Cross, the only undead to break through the Dwarfish line. Even the triumphant Drakenhof Guard were facing enraged Flagellants, and vengeful Duellists drew a bead on Krieger.

At the end of the fifth hour, the dawn finally broke over Hel Fenn, and the outnumbered and outmanoeuvred dead lay down, keeling over on the dry land they had struggled so hard to reach. Laibach Ruthven, finally free of the burdensome Dwarf Engineers, did what his masters could not; he quit the field, fleeing west, out of the Empire and out of history.

Von Carstein concedes top of turn 6: a 7:28 Absolute Thrashing for the Vampire Counts!

Post Mortem

I made the decision to treat this as a historical refight, i.e. coming into it expecting to lose, and giving up a couple of advantages in the scenario as written to instead go for full Stillmania. In that respect I succeeded admirably, but in terms of actual generalship I shat the bed in grand style on this one and it’s probably worth working out how and why.

I’m not one to make excuses, but I was certainly up against it regarding the list; a last minute job which included several troop types I had originally deemed unfit for a battlefield of this nature. I also threw a lot of points into magic banners and Bloodline powers which ended up doing nothing at all (nobody shot at the Banner of Doom unit, the Screaming Banner unit never provoked a fear test and no Soulfires went off anywhere near the Drakenhof Banner). I did refuse all lending of miniatures (I’m not sorry either; I find that sort of thing malaesthetic at the best of times, let alone in Warhammer World at an exhibition game) and to be honest I’m not sure what the offered Grave Guard and Skellies would have achieved: I really needed more Ghouls and Bats to get across the marshes faster. First time I’ve regretted selling my Fell Bats!


Getting into the actual battle, there were a few misfortunes. Not rolling a single Curse of Years or Doom and Darkness, and those two Miscasts, and the utter failure of a Vampire and Wight Lord to finish off Martin. (It occurs to me that the Vampire should have been whomping Free Company and hopefully cancelling out their counter charge, though, so that’s a poor choice compounding bad luck.) But again, I can’t complain too much about luck since that fluke shot at Finreir paid off and I was fortunate that Krieger survived his enforced dismounting for as long as he did.

I certainly threw the Dragon away but there wasn’t much I could do with it; it wasn’t going anywhere near the Slayers and there was no safe route across the line to engage suitable targets without eating two cannonballs and two rocks with good “scatter into the army” options. At least it ate a round of Organ Gun and Thunderer fire that would otherwise have laid waste to the units that did get through and do some damage to Ed’s lighter stuff. I don’t really know how to use the flying deathtrap since it had no place in the vast majority of my games; to really learn to love it I think I’ll need to play more 3000 pointers and figure it out.

The one thing for which I should be martyred in space was moving Mannfred up so far in the first turn; he survived the charge and the Divine Sword were seen off, but the loss of tempo and bodies in the Knight unit meant he was taking a longer and more delayed shot at Martin than I’d have liked and his supporting Knight unit ended up facing the wrong way. Again, this is inexperience talking. I can wrangle Mannfred’s casting potential but I don’t normally mount my Vampires up and put them in Knight buses, so I don’t really know how to keep him safe or ensure the first strike (since my Knights are usually on flank-and-spank duty instead of being high value targets that take point).


Of course my worst painted unit does the best job. OF COURSE.

At the bottom of it all I think I was simply out-teched and out-planned, though. I had to move through lanes between the marshy patches (or have units horribly slowed down by moving through) while their firepower could engage whatever was closest at leisure. Their bonuses to Dispel and the five Scrolls meant I wasn’t going to get key spells off even if I didn’t Miscast them. All their Lords, barring Finreir and Martin, were buried in units I couldn’t really take on. And once Mannfred was gone, I was losing the remnants of my units (giving away points) while their odd models and lone characters were holding on and I didn’t have chaff to hunt them down (not giving away points). After two years out of the saddle I am simply not the Vampire Count I used to be: I even forgot that Zombies always always always strike last, barring Hellish Vigour, which is baseline: how embarrassing!

It’s difficult to talk about “learnings” when this is a highly unusual encounter using an army I don’t really play any more. Certainly there are things I could add to the army that would make this kind of encounter flow more easily, but the figure case is very extremely full now and I’d have to junk something (possibly that ugly-ass third Knight unit) to make space. More Ghouls (mine are not Citadel and not numerous enough to make a difference), more Bats of all sizes and possibly a hard turn into some better crossbowmen (Von Carstein militia or Dogs of War) wouldn’t go amiss. The main “learning”, I suppose, is that it’s not really a 6000 point army even though that’s what it adds up to: it’s a comfortable 3000 with a deep bench of reserves.



All of which said, the point of this meet-up was to play some dream games, hence Hel Fenn, Waaagh! Grom, a three-way rumble in the Nurgle-infested jungle and the War of the Beard going on across the line of tables. In that respect the event was an unalloyed and inarguable success. We certainly drew a lot of favourable gazes, including from old pal JT-Y, now heading up The Old World development, and my table certainly did a lot of “yes, people do still play it… there’s a Facebook group, yes… yes, there are events… OK, we’ll see you there.” Absolutely worth turning out to fly the flag, and now… well, now I have a bucket list game.

I’d really like to play some of the first War of the Vampire Counts, with Vlad ‘n’ Izzy ravaging the Empire. Maybe Schwartzhafen, or Bogenhafen, or a street fight in Middenheim with an army of ghosts, or maybe we should just go all out and do the Siege of Altdorf (although I’d need a lot more bodies for that).

Death is but a window onto eternity. I'll be back.

It's back! https://www.classichammer.com/viewtopic.php?t=40 but all the dead links to the pictures are fixed.

Reposting my own ramblings from the last time this battle report haunted the land.

I recall observing before the nuclear server firestorm that I feel like the Zombie Dragon was somewhat mismanaged, it really needed to be rammed down the throat of one of the relatively fragile and psychologically vulnerable Empire force where it could get stuck in sowing Terror and smashing stuff in close combat, especially given that it was not carrying the General and thus somewhat expendable. I think if it were me I'd have placed it down early along those lines and trusted in that guaranteed first turn to keep it relatively safe on approach. But I also suspect that a decade of Wood Elf generalship soon to be followed by many years of Bretonnian action has coloured my perceptions somewhat.

Regardless, I feel like things were a lot closer run than the final score might suggest, and with a little different deployment the game could have ended very differently.

But as it is, now I'm eager to see Ruthven's revenge after cornering Martin's descendents and 3000 points of household troops in their ancestral castle with 6000 points of besieging undead horror!

I still stand by it that in hindsight treating the Zombie Dragon as a giant very ferocious Vampire Bat and sending it careening into the Empire lines would have probably been a good play - especially in the context of a shortage of other fliers - and maybe swung things around, on top of sticking the Black Coaches down first and avoiding the early game traffic jam with them.

Obviously you need to launch them into the right place - and not, for instance, a suspiciously large hole in the battle line with a suspiciously lonely general flanked by some Tree-Kin and Eternal Guard just itching to swing into the flanks of any fast moving beastie that tries to slam into his face - but I have observed that big flying monsters are generally better used proactively than conservatively.

But reading over it all again, another thing I wonder about is this.

The one thing for which I should be martyred in space was moving Mannfred up so far in the first turn; he survived the charge and the Divine Sword were seen off, but the loss of tempo and bodies in the Knight unit meant he was taking a longer and more delayed shot at Martin than I’d have liked and his supporting Knight unit ended up facing the wrong way. Again, this is inexperience talking. I can wrangle Mannfred’s casting potential but I don’t normally mount my Vampires up and put them in Knight buses, so I don’t really know how to keep him safe or ensure the first strike (since my Knights are usually on flank-and-spank duty instead of being high value targets that take point).

Reading over this passage, I can't help but wonder if it might have been more prudent to not stick Mannfred into a bus of Knights at all? I'm aware that Sylvanian doctrine calls for large formations of massed knights over the smaller flanking groups you're used to, but would it have made much of a difference if Mannfred had been instead deployed as a separate individual and left free to roam behind the main line of undead, lending the magical prowess you're more used to thinking about wherever it was needed most?

Of course, that is a very 6th edition use for such a character and coming from a Herohammer background it is very understandable if such caution was intolerably cowardly.

Alarantalara wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:50 am It's back! https://www.classichammer.com/viewtopic.php?t=40 but all the dead links to the pictures are fixed.

Ah, blast. Now I feel bad 'cause I'd forgotten I'd already posted this rot.

Kakapo42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:11 amI still stand by it that in hindsight treating the Zombie Dragon as a giant very ferocious Vampire Bat and sending it careening into the Empire lines would have probably been a good play - especially in the context of a shortage of other fliers - and maybe swung things around, on top of sticking the Black Coaches down first and avoiding the early game traffic jam with them.

I [suspect that I didn't want to engage either the Steam Tank or its nightmarish four page cluster bomb of unique special rules, and instead opted for a position that made Kris guess his ranges along the diagonal and not eat balls - but yes, the Dragon's suite of abilities was probably better suited to going through T3 Empire troops who weren't all Ld9 to start with.

Kakapo42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:11 amObviously you need to launch them into the right place - and not, for instance, a suspiciously large hole in the battle line with a suspiciously lonely general flanked by some Tree-Kin and Eternal Guard just itching to swing into the flanks of any fast moving beastie that tries to slam into his face - but I have observed that big flying monsters are generally better used proactively than conservatively.

You may be right. My putative concept for The Old World includes multiple large things with characters on the back (say what you like about the professional fanfic edition of WFB, but it's really sorted out the deterrents to fielding dragons and the like) and I'm going to have to internalise doing nasty aggressive 'orrible things with them.

Kakapo42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:11 amReading over this passage, I can't help but wonder if it might have been more prudent to not stick Mannfred into a bus of Knights at all? I'm aware that Sylvanian doctrine calls for large formations of massed knights over the smaller flanking groups you're used to, but would it have made much of a difference if Mannfred had been instead deployed as a separate individual and left free to roam behind the main line of undead, lending the magical prowess you're more used to thinking about wherever it was needed most?

The issues were the scenario victory conditions and the prospect of Heavens magic. I absolutely did not want Mannfred dying to a stray cannonball or laser-targeted lightning bolt if it could be avoided; I absolutely did want Mannfred breaking through the Empire line and escaping. Being in the "bus" of Knights afforded protection and deliverance and, had I been a bit sharper about which Detachment I zapped and what order I put my pieces down in, it would have worked. It nearly did even with the loss of an entire rank of Knights!

I admit to being queasy about the safety of magicians outside units; I am aware that rules exist which prevent them from being targeted as long as they are near other models on similar sized bases, but whenever I attempt to mobilise these rules in my favour, I place things inappropriately and said magician is obliterated by some line of fast cavalry or magic missile or something.

This is another reason why my Hierophant tends to be assigned to the Casket of Souls despite that being an eggs-meet-basket situation: I feel more confident with her insulated behind two layers of "randomise to see what you hit" than I do with her swooshing around independently with the Cloak of the Dunes.

Jonathan E wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:08 pm
The issues were the scenario victory conditions and the prospect of Heavens magic. I absolutely did not want Mannfred dying to a stray cannonball or laser-targeted lightning bolt if it could be avoided; I absolutely did want Mannfred breaking through the Empire line and escaping. Being in the "bus" of Knights afforded protection and deliverance and, had I been a bit sharper about which Detachment I zapped and what order I put my pieces down in, it would have worked. It nearly did even with the loss of an entire rank of Knights!

I admit to being queasy about the safety of magicians outside units; I am aware that rules exist which prevent them from being targeted as long as they are near other models on similar sized bases, but whenever I attempt to mobilise these rules in my favour, I place things inappropriately and said magician is obliterated by some line of fast cavalry or magic missile or something.

This is another reason why my Hierophant tends to be assigned to the Casket of Souls despite that being an eggs-meet-basket situation: I feel more confident with her insulated behind two layers of "randomise to see what you hit" than I do with her swooshing around independently with the Cloak of the Dunes.

This does then bring me to recall a certain online tactics guide for Vampire counts that makes some good observations on the merit of embedding Mannfred in a pack of wolves for security, penned if I recall by an author who also opened my own eyes to the value of Skeleton Light Horsemen as a small bodyguard retinue for Liche Priests, but I digress. The scenario goal of getting Mannfred off the other side of the table was all the missing context I needed and the Knight bus definitely makes sense in those circumstances.

For what it's worth, I myself have yet to experience any obliteration of my own mounted magician, who is normally the only thing on a cavalry base in the entire army and so doesn't even have the security of similar sized bases to hide next to, and yet has thus far only ever really been brought down by errant Squig Hoppers or Fanatics that happened to scatter into her before she could pick them off with a Pageant of Shrikes.

It could be a case of Wood Elf magicians simply not being as integral to the army, but I am becoming increasingly convinced that the real trick lies in giving the other side something bigger and meaner to worry about and occupy so much of their attention that they forget about the solitary figure waving a shiny stick from the back of a horse or equivalent (after all, if they do insist on hunting down the wizard then it usually means whatever big scary thing I tried to distract them with is left free to make them regret their decision).

Kakapo42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:58 amThis does then bring me to recall a certain online tactics guide for Vampire counts that makes some good observations on the merit of embedding Mannfred in a pack of wolves for security, penned if I recall by an author who also opened my own eyes to the value of Skeleton Light Horsemen as a small bodyguard retinue for Liche Priests, but I digress. The scenario goal of getting Mannfred off the other side of the table was all the missing context I needed and the Knight bus definitely makes sense in those circumstances.

Oh, in normal circumstances I'm sure that esteemed author's incredibly apposite insights are entirely appropriate. Whoever they are. You only need five, maybe a Doom Wolf to issue a timely challenge.

Kakapo42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:58 amIt could be a case of Wood Elf magicians simply not being as integral to the army, but I am becoming increasingly convinced that the real trick lies in giving the other side something bigger and meaner to worry about and occupy so much of their attention that they forget about the solitary figure waving a shiny stick from the back of a horse or equivalent (after all, if they do insist on hunting down the wizard then it usually means whatever big scary thing I tried to distract them with is left free to make them regret their decision).

With respect, in the context of a Vampire Counts army, since killing Mannfred will cause many of his associates to become steaming wet patches of Bovril. I think an opponent with their head screwed on will be keeping track of where the key figure for an Undead army is. Of course, a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon who is not the army general (because Mannfred's there) is quite the distraction, and that's something I mean to explore should I ever pack up my puff-and-slash Skellies again. If it does turn out that you're onto something, I'll let you know.