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TinyLegions wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:33 pm Not a bad list. Kind of with JT, I do a few things different in personal taste. Normally I don't go Lord level in a 2K point game, but this one is not bad, and I kind of like the loadout on it. I see that you did the "Thank" loadout on your BSB, and I rarely ever put runes on the standard myself, so I am ok with that. I usually bring either a Thane of Pane or Lord of Pane tuned up more, but characterwise it is ok.

I have a few criticisms, and one is with the Runesmith, but that is based on the answer to this question. Where do you plan on deploying the Runesmith? If he is going into a combat unit, then I would kit him out to make him more survivable, personally. If he is hanging with the artillery, then no big deal. Personally, I would rather take an organ gun than two cannons, but your call. Similarly taking a pair of bolt throwers is another load out that I tend to favor, and put at least one with a +1ST rune on it. Once again your call. People's inventory are not the same.

Alarantalara wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:26 pm This is interesting in that it's very different from the Dwarf lists I usually play against.

Looking at it, I imagine that it tries to stay in a compact blob to gain the reroll using the lord's leadership as much as possible (does everything fit?) and thus win through attrition once in melee range. With the unit sizes and number of characters, I imagine that two are in the ironbreaker unit and one is in the first warrior unit.

I do wonder how you plan on handling armies with very large numbers of units (not models) since it seems like you'd be inviting some sort of flank attack and if you don't move to anchor yourself, then the wide thunderer lines provide obvious targets to try for a breakthrough.

Similarly, what is your plan for armies that aren't interested in engaging you? Here I'm thinking Dwarf and Empire armies with more missiles (I've encountered a few lists with 50% more shooting than yours) as well as any of the armies that like to harass the opponent without actually closing (skinks, wood elves, some magic heavy armies).

Speaking of magic heavy armies, they're probably the best reason to consider more and smaller dwarf units. There are a few spells that hit every model in a unit and big elite units are very tempting targets since you can nearly cripple your opponent with a single successful spell.
For instance, consider the second unit from the bottom here:
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That was the result of a single casting of Black Horror against a unit of warriors and was a major factor* in the defeat of the Dwarfs in that game (crippled unit and the bottom unit now effectively isolated because it's lost its support). Making the unit bigger, as you have, just exacerbates the problem since the total casualties go up while providing less of a margin for recovery with other units.

* The other major factor was a failed terror test removing a second unit from the battle line at the critical point.

Just Tony wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:08 am I'd be horrified if my entire 2,000 point army fit in 1/3 or less of my deployment zone frontage. I also stiffened a bit when you said you use a table edge as a flank refuser. That seems to dare the dice gods to have you fail a break test

Thoric wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:09 am Hello Alarantalara (nice nick, am I wrong or it sounds elvish?)

Thoric wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:09 am I protect my sides with a terrain features and one table edge, or (if there is not a suitable terrain element) using two table edges (diagonally in a corner of the table).

I basically do not move if not for countercharge.